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Alt 24.06.2006, 04:34
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Thank you very much for your help, but I must repeat myself here, that we are against implementing Java Scripts on our web site.
May I ask you why you're that persistent? Why not using JavaScript if it serves just as a feature (tooltip etc.).

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Blinzeln Why no JavaScript

We avoid as far as possible implementing Java Script, to avoid running risks on complications on the end users machines, or while government and other employees are required to disable this feature, for security or other reasons.
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Alt 24.06.2006, 10:39
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Allright, accepted . Nevertheless I think users having JavaScript disabled are aware of (or at least should be), especially since the AJAX hype, that they can't use the entire functionality of a website.

I've just checked a use of JavaScript statistic and strangly, there is no change in usage for the last two years (including 2006), in spite of the AJAX hype.
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Alt 24.06.2006, 11:33
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I'm doesn't understand you. In your first answer you tell "You are right that i have some tabbing problems". Now you tell "there's nothing wrong with my tab order". A bit busy right now...

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Can you explain now why should I?
If you work with the WCAG you doesn't need this. The WCAG is a recommendation. If you will reach german people, you should have "fall backs" for all persons with disabilities. The german have the problem, that all must better and all must be perfectly

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A glossary can be useful, but complicates navigation.
Oh, what a answer If you will reach all persons with disabilities, you should make a site that is easy to use and should explaining it self.

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After all, keyboard navigation is very bad in a lot of mainstream user agents. Lynx and Opera are the only browsers I know of with decent keyboard navigation. It's probably a user agent problem. Or not?
A small suggestion for you to understand persons with disabilities:

- take a look on your display with dark sun glasses (red, green and gray)
- navigate on your page without using your hands
- close your eyes and let a friend reading the content

I think, most Web designers don't understand persons with disabilities. Me included
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Alt 25.06.2006, 04:56
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I'm doesn't understand you. In your first answer you tell "You are right that i have some tabbing problems". Now you tell "there's nothing wrong with my tab order". A bit busy right now...
I have later discovered that it was a user agent problem and not mine.


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If you work with the WCAG you doesn't need this. The WCAG is a recommendation. If you will reach german people, you should have "fall backs" for all persons with disabilities. The german have the problem, that all must better and all must be perfectly
Are you sure that there are many web sites here is Germany that have went so far as we did with accessibility? Sorry for my arrogance, but I think I need some evidences when we are going to the bottom line of accessibility.

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Oh, what a answer If you will reach all persons with disabilities, you should make a site that is easy to use and should explaining it self.


A small suggestion for you to understand persons with disabilities:

- take a look on your display with dark sun glasses (red, green and gray)
- navigate on your page without using your hands
- close your eyes and let a friend reading the content

I think, most Web designers don't understand persons with disabilities. Me included
We use everywhere on our web site acronyms, abbreviations and definition tags, and we have different statements: Accessibility Statement, Technical Statement, Privacy Policy and Important Notices, also about Security,Terms of Use, and above all a Privacy Policy Platform (P3P), and you want to tell me that I need more than that?

And about testing our web site, we perform manual testing besides to automated tools, as we describe on our web site here http://www.webnauts.net/accessibility-testing.html and a blind lady have tested our web site, who is also the chairman of the Association of Accessibility Professionals, two users with dyslexia and one color-blind, and we got the most impressive results.

We examine color contrasts and readbility too with diverse tools and algorithms. We also test with diverse screenreaders and for sure above all with Lynx.

So I do not understand what do you want to say after all. That we are not trying or best? Or that others try more than we do? I would love if someone can provide with with some samples I can learn something new from.

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Alt 25.06.2006, 05:04
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Allright, accepted . Nevertheless I think users having JavaScript disabled are aware of (or at least should be), especially since the AJAX hype, that they can't use the entire functionality of a website.

I've just checked a use of JavaScript statistic and strangly, there is no change in usage for the last two years (including 2006), in spite of the AJAX hype.
We do not look at statistics. We are concerned that our site or of our clients, shall be able to be accessed by everyone if possible. We will be happy when we would have black on white, that we have achieved to accommodate 95% of the web population. And because that is what we are striving, we regret to have our site in an old fashion style.
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Alt 25.06.2006, 14:29
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[...] and we have different statements: Accessibility Statement, Technical Statement, Privacy Policy and Important Notices, also about Security,Terms of Use, and above all a Privacy Policy Platform (P3P), and you want to tell me that I need more than that?
I hope your website is also useable without this boring trash.
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Alt 26.06.2006, 03:46
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I hope your website is also useable without this boring trash.
Thank you for your kind review and kind comments so far.
Though, it seems to me that you might have felt offended. If so, be sure that was not my intention.

And... my apologies for that.
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Alt 26.06.2006, 07:44
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Though, it seems to me that you might have felt offended. If so, be sure that was not my intention.
No, not really. In my opinion typical users won't read this footnotes.
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Alt 26.06.2006, 08:17
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No, not really. In my opinion typical users won't read this footnotes.
As I explained above, we do not design for one certain category of users, rather for all.
So if typical users will not read our footnotes, others might do. Or?
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